January 20, 2021

Caleb Hearon Is An A24 Slut

That would be the whole interview, thats all I d use.
Completely awkward. No, but thank you.

Thank you so much for joining me! For the people in our audience who may not understand you yet, whats your origin story?
I thought I would go to law school after that. A year or 2 into undergrad, I was like, probably not law school, perhaps grad school of some other kind. I believed possibly I d move to New York after college and do comedy at UCB, however a lot of my good friends from the college improv team began talking about moving to Chicago, so I moved to Chicago with them and began doing characters and sketch.
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Just recently, during the dumb “does this appearance like a suitable father-son relationship” discourse around that photo of Joe and Hunter Biden, you tweeted about masculinity and how, sadly, such a huge part of masculinity is weaponizing trauma against other males to keep them in place.

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Caleb Hearon is a actor, comic, and author based in Los Angeles, California. He talked with Funny Or Die over Zoom to discuss his career, the significance of representation in media, and masculinity in comedy.
This interview has actually been modified and condensed for length and clarity.

This is a quite gigantic topic, but I wish to discuss masculinity in comedy. And if, or how that masculinity that youre explaining has actually impacted not just your profession in funny, but the kinds of things that you make.
Male relationship has actually always been extremely crucial in my life and still is. And thats not an image that you get a lot for gay men.
Im continuously fighting off the urge to tweet things that are kind of essay-ish because its not what I ultimately want to be doing. I want to make people laugh. Yeah, masculinity I think about all the time.
The hardest thing for me about coming out was I was fretted that I wouldnt have any more male good friends.
Male friendship has actually always been really essential in my life and still is. And thats not an image that you get a lot for gay guys. You dont see a great deal of gay males that have male good friends in media since were constantly the bitchy sidekick to whatever lady is on a shopping spree. Other than Neighbors 2, I will say, had a very healthy and favorable representation of male friendship that included gay men.
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I likewise found out that a lot of the people that posture are actually, genuinely sweet guys who have depth and complexity, who are just replaying this trauma of being a guy in our stupid, fucked up society. I enjoyed a lot of people come in as just big assholes. And then, through friendship and development and learning, by the time we left, they were better guys, and so was I.
I think its really trulyIntriguing the effect that healthy male friendships relationships, telling informing male friends that you love like, hugging each other, talking about relationships and the ways you feel about them and not just who youre fucking.
Those things, and having those kinds of outlets, really arent offered to a lot of straight men or a lot of typically masculine guys. When it ends up being available, you see people start to break free and challenge those concepts around What Does It Mean To Be A Man? Can I talk about my sensations when Im not simply feeling upset, when Im feeling other things?
Completely, yeah. Theres some kind of link there in between funny and tradition and whats anticipated in the kinds of situations you act out when I see your character videos. When you were saying, “Do people like my severe tweets since theyre simply off-brand for me and its revitalizing or is that in fact part of my voice?” I believe that both are probably true.
Do you see yourself at some point, wherever your profession enters the future, bringing those examples of healthy male friendship to the media where its missing out on, or helping to press that to audiences in some way?
If you would let other individuals who werent just your young boys access your sensations in comparable ways, you would be a less hazardous individual moving through the world.
Sure, yeah. On my advancement slate right now theres not any projects that I think go straight to that point, however platonic male friendship is something I talk about all the time in tweets and I think its crucial. A lot of guys are losing out on it. A lot of gay guys are losing out on it for factors that are not just that they do not want it. I think a great deal of straight males, a great deal of macho guys are missing out on excellent, healthy, deep male friendships and do not realize it.
A great deal of straight guys dont even recognize that they are deeply in love with their pals, and not romantically.
I believe thats a hacky trope that comes out of a genuine thing, which is that a lot of straight men have so much more love and respect and respect for their good friends than they do for ladies, which is a problem in its own. They dont realize it. They think, “Oh, thats just my kids.” And its like, no, there is something so deep here, youre just real with these people, and if you could understand that, conceive that … Its social penetration theory. You know what I imply? If you would let other individuals, maybe the women that youre dating or your mom, or simply random women that you work with … If you would let other people who werent simply your boys access your feelings in similar ways, you would be a less harmful person moving through the world.
There are a heap of straight guys, gay men, queer guys, people across the spectrum who are manly, fem, and otherwise, and have really healthy relationships with various types of guys, its just not represented.
Due to the fact that so much of thats simply relegated to, “Oh, theyre my kids. In some cases we get intoxicated and we speak about our feelings or whatever,” to this nothingness, then you cant put it, comprehend it, and replicate it in other relationships. Thats why, I believe, many guys who are typically manly, which generally is related to heterosexuality, cant work in other relationships very healthily– due to the fact that were simply not talking about it quite. The guys in my household are definitely not impressive with emotion that isnt anger. I think its just something that we all need to be talking about.
And, I have a load of man good friends who I dont truly see on screen.
There are a ton of straight guys, gay people, queer males, people across the spectrum who are masculine, fem, and otherwise, and have extremely healthy relationships with different types of men, its just not depicted. I believe the individuals who make stuff assume that someone who wants to sit down and enjoy a “boys comedy” or a “kids whatever”, does not desire to see particular things. I thought it was truly cool and brave to make Dave Francos character gay, and for John Early to propose at the young boys poker night.

While everyone is still in quarantine, do you have any recommendations for shows or movies or podcasts or books to keep amused?
Oh, gosh, I do not understand how I might forget this however Shelby Wolstein and I are putting out a podcast quickly. Im in love with it.
If you know me, I see whatever A24 does cause Im an A24 slut. And you can make that the headline.
I enjoy 20th Century Women. Ive been rewatching a lot of things like Something to Talk About and My Best Friends Wedding, old Julia Roberts films. I discover those really reassuring today.

I keep in mind seeing your character POV videos from in 2015 and I resembled, “I can not think that I have not been following this guy the whole time.” You are so fucking amusing–.
Thank you! What if I began crying? What if I started sobbing when you said that?

And the next action was relocating to LA?
Yeah, I transferred to Chicago right after college in 2017 and I just transferred to LA this previous summertime.

Prior to COVID you were doing a lot of live programs. How has the transition to primarily, or, I guess, all digital content been? Has that presented any sort of imaginative difficulties or has that changed your procedure at all?
Before the pandemic even started, I didnt get that job. It was like, okay, Ill put comedy videos online. Ive got stuff to make.
Anybody who had even the tiniest head start or [was] making online funny material right away started doing much better.
I began putting character videos on Twitter and it just went type of crazy, it got a lot more attention than I expected. So I currently had this new thing where a lot of people were starting to know me for web material, but thats not the bulk of what I was doing or seemed like my funny was. Theres nothing wrong with solely doing digital material, however that wasnt the greatest part of what I was doing. Attempting to pivot that to, “Come to my live programs,” and figuring out how to harness the energy of digital to offer tickets and get people to come out was already something I was working through, and then the pandemic hit and it was like, this is what you have, this is what were doing. It was strange, but my fans simply kept increasing since everybody was turning to digital to be captivated and become aware of whats going on. Anybody who had even the tiniest running start or [was] making online comedy material right away began doing better.

Hows that been in the middle of the pandemic?
My roomie and I, Shelby Wolstein– also a brilliant comedian– drove out with our mamas. We took a moving truck and both of our automobiles and drove across the nation. When we got to LA the city was on like a 2:00 PM curfew because of the demonstrations for Black Lives, which is obviously net favorable, it was simply a weird time to show up to the city.

Do you have anything to shamelessly plug for everyone?
Im starting to do some distanced live programs in LA, which is enjoyable. And, hopefully, well get to do that in other locations soon too!

Like youre stating, individuals who are making those type of shows or motion pictures presume that audiences dont desire to see that, however thats all anybody is asking for, is more of those kinds of stories and more of that type of visibility. So, its sort of absurd that we arent already at that point, however its great to see individuals like you being outward and active on social networks and normalizing things like simply informing your pals that you enjoy them.
Well, I will say too, I think males require to do the work for ourselves. When I state we require to love guys, we require to give men the room to be enjoyed, to be unfortunate and to be many and upset things that arent simply mad, I believe thats guyss task.
I think women and fem people in general have actually been doing that for long enough.
Im always careful about speaking about things like that due to the fact that I do not desire it to seem like Im like, “Every fucked up, poisonous, bad dude is just misconstrued and didnt get enough hugs.” That really is not the case. Some individuals want to stay in that and theyre not looking for an escape of it. It goes both methods, I think.
Youve done so lots of different kinds of things. Youve done stand-up, all various type of live programs, composing, now all this digital content. I do not wish to ask the standard whats next for you, but where do you wish to go from here? Are you seeking to get more back into live programs as soon as quarantine is over or are you entering the composing instructions?
I think there are stages to that. Im discovering so much right now and I hope that Ill have, if Im fortunate, a truly long career of just discovering all the time. Ultimately I d like to produce and direct and I have kind of a Steve Carell, Jonah Hill desire to go and do significant films that possibly people would not anticipate.
Thanks To Caleb Hearon I desire to do whatever I can be doing, but I think the most important thing is simply finding out each step of the method.
We can kind of state whatever we desire and there are no real world restraints since its animation. I hope that itll provide itself to whatever I do next, and simply keep building towards the point where, if I get truly, truly fortunate, I get to do whatever I want with individuals I like.

I also found out that a lot of the men that posture are actually, really sweet guys who have depth and complexity, who are just replaying this injury of being a male in our silly, fucked up society. A lot of gay guys are missing out on it for factors that are not simply that they do not want it. If you would let other people, perhaps the women that youre dating or your mom, or simply random ladies that you work with … If you would let other people who werent simply your boys access your feelings in comparable methods, you would be a less poisonous individual moving through the world.
Thats why, I think, so lots of guys who are generally masculine, which normally is associated with heterosexuality, cant function in other relationships very healthily– because were just not talking about it really much. There are a lot of straight people, gay guys, queer males, individuals across the spectrum who are masculine, fem, and otherwise, and have very healthy relationships with different types of guys, its simply not represented.